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Posted by Tyler on mASF.

The Elastic Band Snapback Effect

Girls rely on social status as part of their survival. As guys, we know that if we absolutely had to, we could go out into the woods and live alone. Girls, OTOH, are programmed to gain status socially. That's one of the reasons that they're so fascinated with relationships, and that they are attracted to socially proofed guys.

This is all generalization of course, and could be disputed. But either way, viewing things this way will get good results in the field.

Anyway, because of this, most hot girls will always want to maintain sexual power over you at all times. When you tease them, they'll start touching you as a way of TOOLING you.

The "Elastic band snap back effect" is where girls will immediately shoot IOIs at you, the second you strip them of sexual power. You can use this to get them to do things that they wouldn't otherwise do. They garner you some brief fake/temporary IOIs.

But while phoney, you can still use this to your advantage to move the set forward. Here are a few examples:

"I HATE YOU"

"YOU'RE LIKE MY LITTLE SISTER.."

"YOU'RE SO MUCH LIKE MY GRANDMOTHER"

"YOU'RE SO DRUNK.. YOU KNOW, I COULD TOTALLY HAVE CALLED YOU TOMMOROW TO HANG OUT.. BUT BECAUSE YOU JUST *HAD* TO GET SO DAMNED DRUNK, NOW I WILL NEVER CALL YOU BECAUSE YOU WON'T EVEN REMEMBER ME.. WAIT TO GO.."

"ARE YOU ADVENTUROUS, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT ADVENTUROUS I CAN'T HANG WITH YOU"

"I COULD NEVER BE ATTRACTED TO YOU.. YOU'RE TOO NICE FOR ME.. I NEED A GIRL WHO IS MORE BADASS"

All of these have the same thing in common - they garner FAKE and TEMPORARY indicators of interest.

To me, this is absolutely fascinating to watch. The second you usurp their sexual power, they'll go to any length to get it back, regardless of whether or not they're legitimately attracted to you.

This is a what I call a "PROGRAMMING WALL", which I'll post on that later. It's one of many programming walls.

Anyway, what's interesting is that you can use this in different situations.

For example, you're on a time constraint. But at the same time, she's a TEN.

And you want her #, so you can at least attempt to game her on the phone.

She's worth it.

What to do? The patented "DRUNK CHICK #CLOSE"

As written above, you use the elastic band effect, and say that she's too drunk to take her #. Of course, typical girl, 9 times out of 10 she'll whip out a pen and paper and insist that you call her. And her friends will even say "You'd better call her" and dumb shit like that. Even though she'll flake.

But this is USEFUL because you KNOW that going in, so you can re-game her on the phone and get her to meet up anyway (assuming you have decent phonegame, which even if you don't, this is a perfect opportunity to find a girl to practise on)

Basically, the elastic band effect is a way to get like a 1 minute WINDOW, where you have indicators of interest. It's not a full method. Rather, its a tactic that you KNOW you have in your arsenal, in order to move along a pickup should you need to.

I *love* the "I hate you" line, as a way of re-initiating a stale set. Damn, its so fucking useful for me. I'll have a stale set, and the girl is deliberately not making eye contact with me anymore. So I'll just walk up and say "I hate you!", with a smile on my face. She'll be all "Why?!?!

WHY?!?!?!?!?!" and start hugging me or trying to kiss me.

This shit is so fucking ridiculous just to watch. The girls will do ANYTHING to get back into your good books. You can even OPEN SETS with "I hate you", and the girls will insist on knowing why immediately, and then you can go into some opener based on that.

Where this stuff gets really interesting, is when you start to see it as "programming walls" that girls have. You can start to get SERIOUS insight into female psychology when you understand the reasoning behind this, which I'll post about later.

I remember picking up this Netherlands chick (a 9.5) that I got into bed although she wouldn't sleep with me (cried about her boyfriend, and I failed to disarm it, although NOW I know how and I'll post on those LMR tactics later also). The way I got her was when she was leaving, I said "Oh please, do you think I'm going to chase a girl?" Immediately she said "Well maybe you should.." It was PURE elastic band effect. She didn't even like me that much yet. It was just her snap back reaction to what I'd said. Although she didn't like me that much yet, it got her to give me some superficial IOIs so that I wouldn't look stupid for following her inside when she was ejecting me. With that time I'd bought, I eventually got her to like me.

My favourites though are the DRUNKGIRL #CLOSE and the I HATE YOU line.

They're very important in my game.

I'll post more about this later.

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I'm in NYC tonight.. So I rang up some flakes from Kingston (my hometown). They were immediately impressed that I said I was "working in NYC", as they saw the caller-ID from the NYC area code.

But better yet, they'd say "How long are you staying for". And I say "In NYC? Forever.."

They'd freak out and beg me to come back.. haa, funny how fear of loss puts these flakes in line. I didn't call them for 3 weeks, and then it seemed realistic I was never coming back.

I'll post more on flakes later.

btw, I'm still using that "I hate you" as a way to re-initiate sets, and I'm loving it. Here are some routines I've got going lately: IMPROV GAME IVD (true story):

"I sat in on this improv class with my actor friend yesterday. (Then I describe it in detail in a cool way) Yeah it was just for fun. So we did this exercise where we have to make scenarios in these two seats, and carry out the convo in role playing." Then I do the same criticism on their roleplaying as the teacher there did, which was basically not to stall the convo on a boring topic, but to bring it somewhere, and also to act out the situational stuff and make it believable, not stupid.

Then I add the "Accumulate ticks". You do a tick (like an arm twitch), and then keep doing the improv and add a second, third, fourth, fifth tick, until you can't do it anymore.

Funny, and I like it because it helps her to qualify herself to you -> she can actually demonstrate that she's smart and fun to you.

TRUST TEST IVD:

Good addition to the "Best friends Test" Say "You're taking the trust test". Then say "Give me your hands", and put your palms up for her to take them.

1- Squeeze her hands. If she squeezes back, she passes.

2- Lower your hands, and if she follows with her hands, she passes.

Then TELL her if she passed or failed, and then she'll say "No No No, I DO trust you!" and then she'll always be RESPONSIVE to kino-tests from then on (notice that these are FUNDAMENTAL IOI kino-tests, but I'm just working them into a routine.. btw, for guys who aren't using those kino IOI tests, where the fuck have you been?? They're one of the most important parts of game)

I also follow that up with the "Tension Test" IVD, which is just me doing the massage maneuvre (another of my most useful kino tricks, that I posted about alot last month, where I run my fingers up her back and massage her down).

Then I tell her things about her based on how she reacted to the move, but its not structured, and I just bullshit it.

Interesting escalation though:

-best friends test

-trust test

-tension test

POW!

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KINO-tests

An interesting phenomenon is that when you touch girls who like you, they always go out of their way to touch back.. It seems to be some sort of subconscious mating mechanism..

When I go around the club high-fiving chicks, the ones who want me will ALWAYS try to clasp my hand and keep me there.. I have literally gone up to a chick, high-fived her, and when she clasped my hand I started tonguing her down (before I've even said one word to her).. This has happened a few times now.

If I caveman a chick, she'll tickle me back and shit like that. I pulled a go-go dancer from Guvernment one night with Twentysix, Papa, and No9, just by tickling this chick (It was too loud to talk, so I said "fuck this!" and just started going caveman on every chick that passed me, until I pulled).

She tickled back, and knowing that the kino test had been POSITIVE, I just literally DRAGGED her out of the club, barely haven spoken a word to her. Literally, I tickled and DRAGGED her from the club. Her friends weren't there - obviously (massive warehouse club). She loved it. Point is though, how did I know I could get away with it? Or the insta-tongue-downs? Just by KINO TESTS.

When I do kino opener, sometimes I'll roll up on girls and ask a quick question, then say "you're my new best friend" and wrap my arms around her.. if she's digging me she'll almost always wrap her arm back around me, even if she's in shock for a second and has to do it after when its not really timed properly..

Chicks will also do weird things, like if you hold her hands, and turn around and drop your hands, she'll keep her hands RIGHT THERE in the hopes that you'll re-initiate the kino.

Have you ever been in tightly packed car beside a chick, and she gets out for a sec, but you stay PERFECTLY STILL in hopes that she'll come back to that position? Or maybe you had your leg against hers in a lecture class, and she got up to go to the washroom for a minute. You kept your leg right there in the hopes that it would go back in place.. (never does either dammit!)

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

Another good test is to clasp hands mercy fight style, and then lower them waist level and see if she keeps it going.

Or butting heads softly/gently, and see if she leans in or not.

***A really interesting thing that I've also noticed is girls UNWILLINGNESS to displace themselves physically in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER until they are into you (usually attraction, but sometimes also with deep rapport).

So basically, you may notice stuff like if you try to do the spin-maneuver on a chick who thinks badly of you, she'll refuse to spin. If you say to a chick "your arms are crossed.. you look uptight", and she isn't attracted yet, she'll REFUSE to uncross them.. Literally, she'll keep saying "I'm cold" and she won't uncross them for ANYTHING. Same thing when you suggest moving venues. If they don't like you, it will NOT happen. Chicks just won't displace themselves for guys they don't like.

If you try to make a physical move too early in the sarge, you have fucked up the sequence, and the sarge often ends. HOWEVER, sometimes girls will mumble shit like "not yet", or they might decline a #close or something, but STILL keep flirting and talking to you. That seems to be a subconscious way of saying "I'm not wet enough yet, but if you keep sarging me I may be there soon".

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